Can Architect Stamp Structural Drawings Illinois
Bigwolf
Shall I call you Logan, Weapon X???
- #3
Rant on.
I can't speak for IL, but I can tell you for a fact that this :BS: is allowed in California....which I find to be quite funny since they have such strict provisions for the engineers obtaining the CA S.E. license. Typically in CA, you need to have the S.E. to do hospitals or schools (some cities have other restrictions for high rises, etc)....most other projects can be done by a civil engineer. However, the state says that the architectural license is deemed good enough to sign off structural projects that would normally require an S.E.
Furthermore, the architects in the state only take a general structures exam and a lateral forces exam in their quest of licensure.....my wife got her architecture license and the content of these two exams were
very basicin principal....yet now she is more qualified to do Structural Engineering than I am according to the geniuses in Sacramento. :screwloose: :screwloose:
At the same token....I don't know an architect in CA that would want to take that kind of liability on their shoulders....so even though the laws are screwed up, most architects end up using Structural Engineering Consultants.-->The Architects appears to have more brains than the dumbasses in Sacramento :true:
Rant off.
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- #5
In TX "Engineers shall practice only in their areas of competence". I am hoping that Architects have the same kind of wording in their rules and regulations.
Sure, it's up to the engineer to decide what they are competent to do, but I know that I would not risk my license to stamp something that I don't know anything about.
Bigwolf
Shall I call you Logan, Weapon X???
- #6
BW,
IL arch does have some SE sealing ability.It is sad but true.
I can't figure out if these laws are a throw back to the old days when Structural Engineering was a more primitive artform....but I'm suprised that the state boards choose not to do anything about it now-especially given how anal (rightfully so) they are about unqualified engineers performing Structural work, let alone architects :screwloose:
If you can't tell, this topic happens to be one of my biggest professional pet-peeves 
- #9
^^ Another Sad but true fact.
:smileyballs:
On the theoretical side of Architecture, because I studied also BS Arch for two years and wasnt able to finish due to financial reasons, anyways, they dont have much idea about in depth Structural Engineering in their curriculum, in my opinion they are not qualified to sign or analyze strucural engineering calcs and drawings. But if the state allows this and something happens on the building, it is incompetence on the architect concerned, each state board (Architects) must have in depth exams like Struct 1 and 2.
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IlliniASU
Engineers don't only drive trains.
- #14
rdbse is correct about the program at Illinois. I am a graduate of that program. It is a unique program, and I'm pretty certain there aren't many like it in the country, if any at all.
If you do some digging, to be a qualified candidate to sit for the IL SE exams, you must have an engineering or architecture degree from an approved program with a minimum of 18 credit hours of structural engineering related coursework, including analysis, behavior and design.
The undergraduate architecture program at Illinois is also unique in that students are required to take calculus, statics, dynamics, mechanics of materials, steel and concrete design courses. I have spoken with students who are graduates of other architecture programs and they are not required to take anything beyond college algebra. That to me is astounding.
After I graduated, I moved to Arizona and found that not many people trust engineering design to an "architect" (go figure). Even though I just passed the PE (yay!) I am still pursuing the BSCE part-time and will hopefully be finished in the next three years, taking one or two classes at a time. Next step: the SE exams!
But don't worry... not just anyone can stamp structural drawings or sit for the SE exams. It's a very small group of architectural people. My class only had 15.
Can Architect Stamp Structural Drawings Illinois
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